351 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2008 at 1:44pm:


I think that you are not talking seriously. A woman is a woman a Man is a man. Men are about twice stronger and thrice more muscular than women, although women can be more cleaver. Women have other atributes, of course.

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Lets hope... But not unlikely exchanged reality for fantazy, and for so long that that the last now equals th first 

Also not seing strong and muscular women as the really are and therefore not able to respect their true qualities 

Keep it real...  8)

kachok wrote on Mar 21^st, 2008 at 10:34am:



Is it so? Are you sure? Hard to believe

Strong American teen girls:   http://www.girlsbiceps.fempoint.net/

Great biceps

This a text book and very beautiful squat  8)

Part 2



I wonder if this is true. The current moral devaluation of professional sports, that relentless parade of scandals that chips away at standards of meritocracy and fairness, makes "role model" a mocking epithet. The best of athletes are disposable heroes. How can juiced liars seem superior to the actors, musicians and uncategorized celebrities who also entertain us? To many fans they aren't. This helps explain the rise of fantasy sports leagues in which "owners" pluck individual players from real teams to stock their make-believe teams, which they bet on. The real statistics of these shuffled players become the basis of winning and losing. It's emotionally safer than rooting for cheaters. Of the estimated 15 million fantasy football league players, approximately 10 percent are women, according to industry data. Some leagues discourage women from playing. While there may well be fantasy leagues for, say, women's soccer or softball, one wonders if they are necessary; the existence of the real thing is fantastic enough.

McDonagh and Pappano seem on even shakier ground when they blame Title IX, with its permission for segregated contact sports, for diverting a '60s movement toward co-ed games. That movement was based on the idealistic philosophy of inclusion and healthful participation that female physical educators clung to until the big boys ran them out. How much of this philosophy was based on ideology and how much on pragmatism -- it kept women's sports alive and under the radar -- is an interesting topic of its own. The big boys -- the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)-- only stopped lobbying against Title IX when it decided to take over women's sports, which it has, replacing most women coaches with men and women who use the male athletic model of winning through stars and intimidation rather than team play and sound fundamentals.

Women's basketball teams, for example, were traditionally formed as a group of friends sharing an athletic experience. Men's teams recruited the best players available, putting aside personal feelings, to achieve a goal. Thus, went the conventional wisdom, men learned to work well with people they did not necessarily like while women needed good relations to start. (Male sports writers loved writing about the female point guard who supposedly refused to pass to the teammate with whom she had just broken up.) These days, the best women's hoops teams are built around recruited stars and their handmaidens. The value of Playing with the Boys is in its bold vision of big-time co-ed sports and the two main questions that it raises for us, without satisfactorily answering: can men and women actually play together? should they?

The flattening of Pat Palinkas thirty-eight years ago (still a unique event) is a good place to start on the "can they" question. Florence didn't knock Palinkas down because he was better than her or because men are better athletes than women. He knocked her down because her male teammates on the offensive line failed to do their jobs and stop him at the line of scrimmage. It happens all the time in the NFL, where there are often hundred-pound differences between linemen and backs.

In Major League Baseball and pro basketball, height and weight disparities are common. Women second-base players and point guards seem a natural. But that's getting ahead of ourselves. Set it up earlier with open tryouts for mixed teams in all sports, including football, and not just for kicking positions. Female wrestlers, competing by weight class, have been successful in high schools. The mixed soccer teams on which kids play are a start that doesn't need to ever stop. Given the chance to keep playing with the boys, there will be girls who will move up and up. Why not?

Because, say McDonagh and Pappano, sports were created as "a vehicle for preserving male power." They point out that sports involving horses, dogs, boats and cars can be more easily integrated because "the guy has an out" with a third party involved: men wouldn't feel threatened because they are competing with machines or animals controlled by women instead of with women directly. Yet only the Iditarod dog-sled race and long-distance competitive sailing seems to have offered a haven to women. Intensely macho sports such as NASCAR only flirt with women drivers and use them in commercials. Auto racers and jockeys don't want to lose to women any more than any other athletes raised in a jock culture that tyrannizes boys by calling them "sissies" and "girls," and they will protect the mediocre male from the superior woman.

And why shouldn't they? Forcing them to compete through childhood and adolescence as a prelude to big-time college and pro equality might not be in their best interests. Dr. Michael Miletic, a former Olympic weight lifter whose Detroit-area psychiatric practice includes many professional, college and youth-group athletes, says, "I am sure that there is value for girls and boys to be segregated at an age when they are anxious about their bodies and tend to measure themselves as boys or girls. Gender is more than just cultural conditioning."

So how do we develop a pool of talent on that level? McDonagh and Pappano have a ten-point plan that begins with "Accept a new, gender-neutral view of sports" that seems as worthily fuzzy as "Love Thy Neighbor" and goes on to ask women to buy sports teams or at least speak more sports talk in their business lives. Their best recommendation is calling for the vigorous enforcement of Title IX on every level, even if it means (I would say especially if it means) scaling back college football and basketball, higher education's largest and most corrupt sinkholes. But asking the media to cover women's sports equally is futile until the entire sports entertainment industry decides that real money can be made with girls and boys together.

And it will. Alas. The authors see sports as "the next frontier" of achieving equal rights. I'm afraid it won't happen in a way they might approve. The groundwork has already been laid by reality shows such as Survivor in which men and women compete against each other in a quasi-team dynamic laced with sexual intrigue. Some clever sports entrepreneur will promote, say, co-ed pro volleyball, perhaps staged as the opening act for a minor league baseball game. There will be a narrative that includes the reasons why certain players don't set up for each other anymore. It wouldn't be such a leap for the best female volleyball player, aà la Palinkas, to pinch run brilliantly in the baseball game and, caught in a locker-room soap opera that makes her famous (watch Desperate Infielders or The Young and the Hitless) be called up to the major leagues. The rest will be showtime.

That field of dreams seems barren to me. If I thought that women would actually defuse the warrior culture of big-time commercial sports, I would joyously march for McDonagh and Pappano's version of equal rights. There's no question that females should have every opportunity that males have in sports from childhood through college. But I think that women integrated into the present professional sports world will merely be cosmetic commodities in an industry that has become so greedy, violent and soulless that it has lost its value as a promised land for anyone.

kachok wrote on Mar 31^st, 2008 at 12:23pm:


Pound for pound, I think that female PLs can come very close to equalling males.  "We" (Americans) have at least one woman with a 10x total, Laura Phelps.  http://www.criticalbench.com/Laura-Phelps.htm None of the Russian women you named have a 10x total. 

However, I'd point out that a number of men have achieved it, the first one being Paul Kelso in 1966.

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In addition to the sports you mentioned,

Football - no big contacts. but still never.
Basketball - the same.
Cricket - no contact at all. Still never.
Baseball - the same.

Only possible games are mind and aiming games such as carom, pool, shooting. They are good in concentrating. They are good in doing sensitive things.