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Reply #135 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 12:32am
 
Mike wrote on Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:53pm:
as always, vote with your wallets...you should know that only those performers who have a certain level of seniority with us have this option...which is different than on the old site...so everybody has to "pay their dues" now...and those you see waiting in premium, they mostly have


Out of curiosity, what reasons do cam models give for wanting to be able to do this?
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Reply #136 - Aug 24th, 2017 at 6:03pm
 
Many experience what we might call free chat fatigue....they get tired of talking to many of the same guys who always just hang out in free...even if they make less money, they prefer less money than having to work the free room...some believe they'll make more money this way, but they are usually wrong...but not always

or some feel like they're better able to stay anonymous this way...some are in school and study or accomplish other work while they wait for customers
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Reply #137 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:34pm
 
Hey is there any way you can reduce the  minimum time we have to spent with a model in order to leave a comment from 5 minutes to 2 minutes; I will explain why i am saying this.
A lot of men do a private show with a model , but if they are not satisfied with what they see they leave the room and noone learns what happened to him or what he didht like  since there is no logic for him to stay to a model room for 5 minutes in order to leave a helpful review for us . So if  he isht seeing what he wants or has asked the model to do why should he stay in the model room for 5 minutes so he can leave a comment. Thats a huge disadvantage for us and that explains why the 9/10 reviews you will see in a model profile are good reviews and rarely you will find one bad review. I think we all agree that a model should start performing what she has been asked from the first minute  thats why we are in a private chat
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Reply #138 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 11:29am
 
things are pretty simple.
girls in chat are money eaters. end of story.
some have fun, some will entertain you, some will be and actually are just assholes.
but that's the story, they don't give a damn about you (even if they will let you think that - otherwise you won't get back - most probably they won't even consider you more than just a weirdo).
apologize for the straight talk, but that's the only truth.
All the rest is bullshit.
I totally agree with the fact that when you enter a pay chat action HAVE to start in a flash.
No other wait. They are not there to talk, they are there to show, right? so, pay chat = action.
by the way, I am no more doing HBC for a lot of time. It's just so downgrading for girls and even more for you all guys, everyone here is earning money for your weakness.
like it or not, that's it.
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Reply #139 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
I agree with you .They earn a lot of money thats for sure. We are very stupid sometimes. For example when  a new model  comes on the site we get crazy and get them in 1-1 from the first second for about an hour and we are competing who will take them first in premium and who will take them longer.. Sometimes i wonder what the girls are calling us . Stupid, asscholes,  suckers or something else. There are girls that earn about 200 dollars  and others that earn  1000 dollars  or more every day so about 4.000 up to 20.000 dollars every month. These girls dont have to work or doing anything else in their life  then  but only travelling in the world and buy expensive things or a villa. Thats why we must have a limit to the money we spent  , otherwise we will  end up in a very bad position.. Its a fact that all the girls want us money, some have a better behaviour and respect us other not but watch us as wallets. Thats why i not do a lot private shows too, but only one or two per month and with selected women.
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Reply #140 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
herbicepsbiggestfan wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:34pm:
Hey is there any way you can reduce the  minimum time we have to spent with a model in order to leave a comment from 5 minutes to 2 minutes; I will explain why i am saying this.
A lot of men do a private show with a model , but if they are not satisfied with what they see they leave the room and noone learns what happened to him or what he didht like  since there is no logic for him to stay to a model room for 5 minutes in order to leave a helpful review for us . So if  he isht seeing what he wants or has asked the model to do why should he stay in the model room for 5 minutes so he can leave a comment. Thats a huge disadvantage for us and that explains why the 9/10 reviews you will see in a model profile are good reviews and rarely you will find one bad review. I think we all agree that a model should start performing what she has been asked from the first minute  thats why we are in a private chat


Almost all of our models do a really fantastic job, which is the main reason why most of the reviews are really great.  And I think its fair to ask customers to spend 5 minutes, so we know the review is a fair one.  2 minutes just isn't long enough to really give the model a good chance to connect with the customer. 
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Reply #141 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:35pm
 
xhero wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 11:29am:
things are pretty simple.
girls in chat are money eaters. end of story.
some have fun, some will entertain you, some will be and actually are just assholes.
but that's the story, they don't give a damn about you (even if they will let you think that - otherwise you won't get back - most probably they won't even consider you more than just a weirdo).
apologize for the straight talk, but that's the only truth.
All the rest is bullshit.
I totally agree with the fact that when you enter a pay chat action HAVE to start in a flash.
No other wait. They are not there to talk, they are there to show, right? so, pay chat = action.
by the way, I am no more doing HBC for a lot of time. It's just so downgrading for girls and even more for you all guys, everyone here is earning money for your weakness.
like it or not, that's it.
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Most of our best customers actually love talking to the models and getting to know the models, and maybe more importantly having the models get to know them.  If you view it as pay-per-view video, its not going to be a great proposition.  What's different about camming is the chance to really connect with the models and make it a personal experience.  To do that, you need to talk to them and let them know about you.

Our cam models are mostly very very good at what they do.  They're great posers, good at talking to the customers, and if you are a good customer, they want to know what you are into so they can explore that with you. 

xhero, you pretty clearly have a bad attitude towards the women and my guess is they pick up on that...you sound like an asshole lol...c'mon, man.  These women train hard, and do their best.  They put up with a lot and yes, they are on the site to make money OF COURSE.  But they're people, they have feelings, and your milage will vary depending on how you, the customer, present yourself.  Be original, be fun, be yourself, but please don't be angry and bitter...or you might find that reflected back towards you, because they're just human.

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Reply #142 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:39pm
 
herbicepsbiggestfan wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:20pm:
I agree with you .They earn a lot of money thats for sure. We are very stupid sometimes. For example when  a new model  comes on the site we get crazy and get them in 1-1 from the first second for about an hour and we are competing who will take them first in premium and who will take them longer.. Sometimes i wonder what the girls are calling us . Stupid, asscholes,  suckers or something else. There are girls that earn about 200 dollars  and others that earn  1000 dollars  or more every day so about 4.000 up to 20.000 dollars every month. These girls dont have to work or doing anything else in their life  then  but only travelling in the world and buy expensive things or a villa. Thats why we must have a limit to the money we spent  , otherwise we will  end up in a very bad position.. Its a fact that all the girls want us money, some have a better behaviour and respect us other not but watch us as wallets. Thats why i not do a lot private shows too, but only one or two per month and with selected women.


You have no idea what they make, there are zero performers on HerBiceps that make as much as 1000 dollars a day.  There's nobody in the history of our website that has made 20k per month as a performer.

Many of the women make 10-50 dollars an hour or so, and that's not awful, but they aren't going around the world.  They are working the site, to make a living, pay their bills, support their competitions, feeding their children, supporting their family, etc etc.

You need to check yourself, man.
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Reply #143 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:43pm
 
And the new women are usually quite nervous and sometimes even scared.  Most of our customers treat the performers really well, and understand that they are precious and valuable, that they are beautiful women who are putting themselves out there to make some extra money for the enjoyment of muscle fans.

Its a two-way street.  Both customers and models are putting themselves out there.  The best customers and the best models don't have expectations of the other except mutual respect and both are looking to have as much fun with the interaction as possible.

You guys sound angry and upset about the women, and that's not healthy.  If its too expensive for you, please enjoy the videos and membership area.  The cam site isn't for everybody.  Its expensive, but it has to be expensive in order for the economics to work.  If you don't like it, move on...but don't vilify the beautiful women who work on the site to make yourselves feel better.  That's not an attitude that's going to help yourselves as you go through life.

herbicepsbiggestfan wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:20pm:
I agree with you .They earn a lot of money thats for sure. We are very stupid sometimes. For example when  a new model  comes on the site we get crazy and get them in 1-1 from the first second for about an hour and we are competing who will take them first in premium and who will take them longer.. Sometimes i wonder what the girls are calling us . Stupid, asscholes,  suckers or something else. There are girls that earn about 200 dollars  and others that earn  1000 dollars  or more every day so about 4.000 up to 20.000 dollars every month. These girls dont have to work or doing anything else in their life  then  but only travelling in the world and buy expensive things or a villa. Thats why we must have a limit to the money we spent  , otherwise we will  end up in a very bad position.. Its a fact that all the girls want us money, some have a better behaviour and respect us other not but watch us as wallets. Thats why i not do a lot private shows too, but only one or two per month and with selected women.
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Reply #144 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:12pm
 
I respect all the work you have done so far and the improvements you are doing every day. I just  say that i dont respect all the models but only some of them because i see that some of them see us only as wallets  and  they forget that we are human beings too.  As for myself i only made a review  about what i have seen. I am not new to the site.  I will repeat it again because you misunderstood me. I am not saying that all the models are the same. Of course there are great models who deserve any money we can spend with them  and they  see us as people too, but believe it or not there are many women too that see us only as wallets. I see that you want to protect your models and say only good things which is very logic, i would do the same if i were you too, but you must admit that there are 2 kinds of woman in the site. So to sum up i am saying that we must all spend our money to models who really deserve our money and not spend our credits only to the famous girls or the girls that have the most reviews as we usually do. There are great girls that have much less reviews and pvt shows.
I respect your answers but i just dont agree with everything you say. For example i think you protect your girls by not giving us the opportunity to leave a comment after we have spent 2 or 3 minutes with them and we didhnt like what we saw and leave   and because the time you give us(not you , your site or someone else i dont know) to leave a comment  is awful  .
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Reply #145 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:10am
 
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Reply #146 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:44am
 
Mike wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 6:35pm:
xhero wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 11:29am:
things are pretty simple.
girls in chat are money eaters. end of story.
some have fun, some will entertain you, some will be and actually are just assholes.
but that's the story, they don't give a damn about you (even if they will let you think that - otherwise you won't get back - most probably they won't even consider you more than just a weirdo).
apologize for the straight talk, but that's the only truth.
All the rest is bullshit.
I totally agree with the fact that when you enter a pay chat action HAVE to start in a flash.
No other wait. They are not there to talk, they are there to show, right? so, pay chat = action.
by the way, I am no more doing HBC for a lot of time. It's just so downgrading for girls and even more for you all guys, everyone here is earning money for your weakness.
like it or not, that's it.
Wink



xhero, you pretty clearly have a bad attitude towards the women and my guess is they pick up on that...you sound like an asshole lol...c'mon, man.  These women train hard, and do their best.  They put up with a lot and yes, they are on the site to make money OF COURSE.  But they're people, they have feelings, and your milage will vary depending on how you, the customer, present yourself.  Be original, be fun, be yourself, but please don't be angry and bitter...or you might find that reflected back towards you, because they're just human.



dear Mike,
you don't know anything about me, and calling me an asshole qualify yourself, let me tell you like we were old friends sharing a beer together, (as a member since the very beginning) crappity smack yourself man, but with a smile  Wink

I have been in chat few times and I always had a good experience, most of the time I didn't even asked for a specific show, things just happened naturally, of course you need to get connected with girls and be respectful, no rudeness allowed, that's for sure, but it's gotta be mutual right?

I could tell you I am even friend with some of them for other reasons outside the chat and even before you featured them on your website but that's another story, just to say I know pretty well they all have a story behind and are human, I know the struggle and their hard work in gym and the whole lifestyle they need to follow. I know all that stuff and I respect this. Pretty much.

What's sounding weird, in all of that, is that most guys here are goin in chat to satisfy their own  fantasies, most of the times erotic fantasies -and it's more than legit if you ask me -, and girls, be honest, are there to earn few bucks and they well know they are there to tease right? Don't make it appear like Alice in Wonderland when it's nothing more than just business. Cannot blame you for this, when supply and demand meet you are in the right position.

Then, indeed, some girls are awesome and sweet, some are not. They all have the right to decide how far to go with a show, but they should be honest with it and don't play too much with the viewer weakness, and too many girls take advantage of this. That's why I told "pay=action" it's fair play.

But once again, it's just business, don't let it appear like Alice in Wonderland, be honest with it. Thanks Wink
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Reply #147 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:45am
 
spy wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:10am:
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I think the trouble is you still sell this as cam site for muscle fans, but it has turned to a Porn/Escort Camsite with muscular woman, lots of your actual Performers come from the Sexcam Industry.
The old site started with girls from Herbiceps.com, who often were champs, they have all gone and have been replaced with girls who start doing things with their intim bodyparts even if you just ask for muscles.... Customers who like that will ask the same to any new performer.
So perhaps a solution would be to add again a separate camsite with the very old content just muscles and no sex or full nude.


that is almost true. Some good girls and fitness champs are still there, but sadly too many girls are coming from other porno sites and things are going out of control. that's what I was talking about.
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Reply #148 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 7:31pm
 
This is really inaccurate, man....sure, a lot of the women are willing to give sexy shows, and adult shows...but the amount of muscle on the site is pretty intense these days.

Right this second, we have 16 models on...

Biceps_Ella --- physique/bodybuilding competitor
MMMuscle -- big physique competitor
Miss_Lisa -- experienced female bodybuilder
Buff_Jill -- pretty big physique competitor
Anna M Strong & Hot Chili -- both massive girls
AtomicBlonde -- plays towards adult, but she's a pro physique competitor who weighs over 160 lbs in the offseason
Kinder Surprise and muscles constellation -- both pretty sizable and ripped muscle girls
Snow_Queen and The_Bomb both very very muscular

Katrina, Lani_Heart and Angel_Devil are the only curvy less muscular girls, but Lani has competed in figure and the others I don't know their comp history offhand, but both can flex and enjoy doing it too

that's a pretty impressive ratio of real muscle girls vs "porn strs" or "adult webcam models"




spy wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:10am:
@Mike

I think the trouble is you still sell this as cam site for muscle fans, but it has turned to a Porn/Escort Camsite with muscular woman, lots of your actual Performers come from the Sexcam Industry.
The old site started with girls from Herbiceps.com, who often were champs, they have all gone and have been replaced with girls who start doing things with their intimate bodyparts even if you just ask for muscles.... Customers who like that will ask the same to any new performer.
So perhaps a solution would be to add again a separate camsite with the very old content just muscles and no sex or full nude.

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Reply #149 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 7:38pm
 
First, I never called you an asshole, not even with a smile.  I'm sure you are respectful with the women, but painting with a broad brush isn't right here in any of the ways some of you guys are painting.  Most of our models are exceptional women, but of course not everybody is.  I've shot with them for many years and I know better than anybody, that they all have bad days and they're just people.  Sometimes they aren't cool.  I know that.  Some of the girls are more into adult than muscle, I know that too.  But they're allowed to be themselves, or play a role...they can do whatever they like and you guys can make a decision whether you're into it. And the girls get to decide if they're into chatting with you as well. 

If you re-read my posts, I think you'll see I'm being honest...and trying to present another side to your views.  And I'm suggesting certain kinds of attitudes aren't going to be productive with a lot of the women.

If you don't like somebody, don't go in their room.  We have plenty of all types of muscular women and we're actively recruiting more...

xhero wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:45am:
spy wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:10am:
@Mike

I think the trouble is you still sell this as cam site for muscle fans, but it has turned to a Porn/Escort Camsite with muscular woman, lots of your actual Performers come from the Sexcam Industry.
The old site started with girls from Herbiceps.com, who often were champs, they have all gone and have been replaced with girls who start doing things with their intim bodyparts even if you just ask for muscles.... Customers who like that will ask the same to any new performer.
So perhaps a solution would be to add again a separate camsite with the very old content just muscles and no sex or full nude.


that is almost true. Some good girls and fitness champs are still there, but sadly too many girls are coming from other porno sites and things are going out of control. that's what I was talking about.
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