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Reply #390 - Aug 14th, 2018 at 1:35am
 
I think the issue for me, as someone who's subscribed to this site since about 2004, is that so many of the best clips go to the VOD site these days, even if they were clearly shot for the main site, and have a herbiceps.com logo on them instead of a herbicepscam.com logo. Some of these VOD clips are from the same shoots that are on the main site, they just happen to be the best 5 mins of that shoot -- the lift and carry portion, the armwrestling, the best flexing segment -- and it's a little annoying that that's happening. It used to be that the herbiceps CAM stuff was just that, webcam. Now it's made up of HD clips often shot by Sean, that should have been on the main site but are now being sold for $5-$7 a pop. Mike and the guys have the right to do what they want with their own site, but it's not unfair for us longtime customers to voice our complaints, or cancel subscriptions. And that's not whining, it's feedback.
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Reply #391 - Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:08am
 
The production team is tasked with editing HB-branded content.  Currently, our primary VOD store is on the HBC platform, and that's where we sell HerBiceps.com videos.  One of our ongoing discussions is how to simplify the presentation of our offerings so as to eliminate on a general level the type of confusion you're describing. Simply, there are currently no HerBicepsCam.com-branded VODs for sale. 

As I have stated before, we have greatly underserved the VOD customer over the past decade.  I fully understand your rationale: members of the paysite used to get ALL or close to all of the content. To remain viable in a competitive marketplace, businesses have to evolve. We want to make our best efforts to service every type of visitor who comes to our site in hopes of creating new customers and retaining existing ones.  The typical HB visitor wants great models, great videos, and great photos.  An HB membership is still just $11.95.  If pricing was adjusted for inflation, that would be almost $17 today.  But while the price has remained constant, unfortunately, production costs have not.  It costs significantly more to produce a 10-minute clip today than it did in 2007. We cannot make the same kinds of decisions we did then.

We definitely appreciate your having supported the site for so many years.  Your feedback is as valuable to us as your business, so we do want you to know that we are listening. I wish I could give you the response you wanted to read, but hope that you can understand our perspective.  We want people to feel good about spending their time and money on our products, whether it's a subscription, VOD, or webcam...or even nothing at all. Thank you for taking the time to let us know your feelings and looking ahead, we hope you will again give us an opportunity to earn your business. 
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Reply #392 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
I understand that you guys are going to do what you need to in order to make money, it's a business, not a charity. And I appreciate you taking the time to address it.

Tre wrote on Aug 15th, 2018 at 8:08am:
The production team is tasked with editing HB-branded content.  Currently, our primary VOD store is on the HBC platform, and that's where we sell HerBiceps.com videos.  One of our ongoing discussions is how to simplify the presentation of our offerings so as to eliminate on a general level the type of confusion you're describing. Simply, there are currently no HerBicepsCam.com-branded VODs for sale. 

As I have stated before, we have greatly underserved the VOD customer over the past decade.  I fully understand your rationale: members of the paysite used to get ALL or close to all of the content. To remain viable in a competitive marketplace, businesses have to evolve. We want to make our best efforts to service every type of visitor who comes to our site in hopes of creating new customers and retaining existing ones.  The typical HB visitor wants great models, great videos, and great photos.  An HB membership is still just $11.95.  If pricing was adjusted for inflation, that would be almost $17 today.  But while the price has remained constant, unfortunately, production costs have not.  It costs significantly more to produce a 10-minute clip today than it did in 2007. We cannot make the same kinds of decisions we did then.

We definitely appreciate your having supported the site for so many years.  Your feedback is as valuable to us as your business, so we do want you to know that we are listening. I wish I could give you the response you wanted to read, but hope that you can understand our perspective.  We want people to feel good about spending their time and money on our products, whether it's a subscription, VOD, or webcam...or even nothing at all. Thank you for taking the time to let us know your feelings and looking ahead, we hope you will again give us an opportunity to earn your business. 

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Reply #393 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 8:08pm
 
regarding VOD vs members material...we are looking forward to the new site (most of what we are shooting now is for that)

so, we are paying models more and putting more into editing and VOD...part of why we can do this is we hired 2 additional full-time video editors...plus Sean in his downtime

we are also paying top models more, doing more fly-ins as well...significantly more...and more shooting overall

so, the amount of extra time we have with models to do more VOD-type stuff, with guys as victims, etc etc...has gone up...and the more time we have with models (meaning more expenses and fees), the more we are motivated to make that up with video sales...its a choice we've made to go from the more polite shoots to more intense shoots...

because membership numbers have gone down over the years and because we have a very high level of spending on the cam site, it makes a lot of sense (business-wise), to put fresh product up

on the new plus site, all paying members will get a 20% discount on the videos...but we'll also be publishing tons of material for free and included in the monthly membership (along with discounts and privileges)

I can see why it would seem shitty to current members right now, but I think over time you will come to see that the VOD is a lot of extra shooting, and a new way to not just monetize but to justify creating exactly the kinds of content people most want to see
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Reply #394 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 8:21pm
 
This means that the new site is only vod not downloadable videos Cry
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Reply #395 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
free clips for free members will stream at standard res
same free clips for paid members can stream or download at highest res

some clips will be for members access only for stream or download

VODs will be purchasable by free or paid members for stream or download

free or paid, members keep one account with user/pass whether they are actively paying or not...keeping access to favorites, purchases, etc etc
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Reply #396 - Aug 16th, 2018 at 9:36pm
 
Thanks it sounds good
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Reply #397 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
Will the new site still have photo galleries? Unlike some of the other folks posting here who appear to have loads of free time, I don't. The galleries allow for sampling of a model within my schedule, which generally does not allow for sitting through hours of videos.
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Reply #398 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm
 
galleries, yes
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Reply #399 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 1:59pm
 
So all this waiting for different kind of clips4sale? What is the diffrence if you would just put all the VODs on Herbicespcam as it is now?


Mike wrote on Aug 16th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
free clips for free members will stream at standard res
same free clips for paid members can stream or download at highest res

some clips will be for members access only for stream or download

VODs will be purchasable by free or paid members for stream or download

free or paid, members keep one account with user/pass whether they are actively paying or not...keeping access to favorites, purchases, etc etc

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Reply #400 - Aug 19th, 2018 at 5:35pm
 
Irv wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 1:59pm:
So all this waiting for different kind of clips4sale? What is the diffrence if you would just put all the VODs on Herbicespcam as it is now?

Clips4sale is an entirely different business model.

Our goal is to create a new type of user experience for fans of female muscle.  The old HerBiceps member site will still exist in archive form and will be included in the monthly membership. 

Although there is some overlap, not every member site visitor has any interest in webcam and the opposite is also true. Sure, we would love for every fan everywhere to check out all our site properties and hopefully make a purchase or two while visiting, but the goal of the business is to give customers and prospective customers the experience they want.
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Reply #401 - Aug 20th, 2018 at 1:30am
 
[quote author=70677E7E617A777376120 link=1480623786/399#399 date=1534683585]So all this waiting for different kind of clips4sale? What is the diffrence if you would just put all the VODs on Herbicespcam as it is now?


I must not be making how its going to work too clear.  Yes, we'll have VODs for sale on the new site, the same kinds of titles that you're already seeing on the cam site.

But more important/relevant to current members here is that the same content as always will be more accessible than ever because you can access as free or paid member (pics and most clips).  The biggest difference will be the usability of the new site and the new abilities to stream quickly, sort/filter/save/favorite/comment, etc etc.  The other differences will be frequency of updates (since the new CMS allows for auto-updating), reduction in monthly pricing, and addition of various kinds of articles/media not currently being featured on HerBiceps.com
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Reply #402 - Aug 20th, 2018 at 12:24pm
 
There remains the question of all questions: When will it be online? I dont want an exact date, but maybe the season (autumn, winter, spring?)
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Reply #403 - Aug 21st, 2018 at 8:40am
 
Tre wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
Irv wrote on Aug 19th, 2018 at 1:59pm:
So all this waiting for different kind of clips4sale? What is the diffrence if you would just put all the VODs on Herbicespcam as it is now?

Clips4sale is an entirely different business model.

Our goal is to create a new type of user experience for fans of female muscle.  The old HerBiceps member site will still exist in archive form and will be included in the monthly membership. 

Although there is some overlap, not every member site visitor has any interest in webcam and the opposite is also true. Sure, we would love for every fan everywhere to check out all our site properties and hopefully make a purchase or two while visiting, but the goal of the business is to give customers and prospective customers the experience they want.



I love everything you are doing guys, I am for the freedom of expression, but some videos are nothing but porno, aka the last Rapture videos in particular, no need to get the video, just look at the preview picture, I don't like to see dicks in a website like HBC... that's clips4sale material Tongue
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Reply #404 - Aug 21st, 2018 at 11:27am
 
You are absolutely right xhero. I don't like that stuff either. Rapture used to be a real beauty, but now she is heading more and more into the porn industry, which doesn't do her good. So sad Cry
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